The Gale Hill Radio Hour
Here at The Gale Hill Radio Hour, you’ll find conversations and short essays having to do with the human experience — our purpose, our passions, the stories of our lives, both lighthearted and otherwise. Also, the power of our spiritual selves, whether on our own or when we join with others in understanding, love and light.
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Kate Jones
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Emotional Well-Being with Jondi Whitis
Jondi Whitis' calling is helping others feel better fast. She's a master trainer in EFT, which stands for Emotional Freedom Techniques, otherwise known as “tapping.” In this episode, Jondi talks about what we can do to alleviate chronic anxiety. So many of us are feeling anxious these days because it seems that everything is coming at us all at once and all the time.
To get off that merry-go-round, you need tools that you can access at any time. Jondi says it doesn't matter whether you choose tapping or some other modality. Just find a practitioner you feel safe with, someone who can help you find the truth in what's bothering you. With the right technique for you, you'll have the power to help yourself — and others.
To learn more about Jondi and her work, please visit her website. Also, you could listen to a previous Gale Hill Radio episode that focuses more on tapping. It's episode 27, titled "EFT Trainer Jondi Whitis on Tapping for Emotional Freedom."
This is Kate Jones. Thank you for listening to The Gale Hill Radio Hour!
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Kate
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Hello and welcome to The Gale Hill Radio Hour.
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This is Kate Jones, here with Jondi Whitis,
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a master trainer in EFT whose
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calling is helping others feel better fast.
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EFT stands for Emotional Freedom Techniques,
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otherwise known as tapping.
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Jondi, thanks so much for coming back on the show!
Jondi
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A great pleasure. Always fun to be with you.
Kate
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So fun for me as well. Emotional freedom…
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seems as if everyone could use more of that these days.
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With everything going on in the world and the constant stream
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of information and misinformation, we’re feeling
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pretty anxious. Are you finding that to be true in your work?
Jondi
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Absolutely. I don’t
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think we’ve ever had a greater percentage of people
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who describe themselves as feeling anxious. And in the past
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I used to hear them say, I’m worried. I’m worried all the time.
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Now that word has changed to anxious.
Kate
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Wow. So how do you
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define what’s going on in the world, what we’re feeling about
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what’s going on in the world?
Jondi
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Well, in professional terms, I think there’s chronic anxiety from unrest and uncertainty.
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And in Jondi speak, I think I’d say it’s everything
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all at once, all the time, every day.
Kate
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I like that. So the other question is,
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what can we do about it to help ourselves and
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the world?
Jondi
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Well, that is the million dollar question. I suspect there’s quite a few answers out there,
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but a lot of them share what I would call
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common sense and universal truths, as well
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as some modern solutions.
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Common sense would say it’s important
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that you find out what exactly that feeling,
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that outcome for you might be all about.
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Because after all, emotions are signals
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of information designed to help
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you not only survive, but maybe better.
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So the first thing everyone, I think, could agree on
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is if you find out what it is that
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upsets you the most or gives you worries, then you’re
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going to have a better chance of looking at it squarely and resolving
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it, of saying to yourself things like,
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"Well, I’m not sure that’s true, but it sure does feel that way,"
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or "I’m not sure this is anything
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that’s in my control." Then again,
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so much is not. So maybe I can tell the truth,
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very simply the truth about, well, I do feel
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out of control, and yet I know that’s not in my control.
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And therefore, well, what could I do about
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that very upsetting thing that’s outside of my control?
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So these are actually kind of cognitive habits.
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Thankfully, we also have much more. Modern medicine
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would say the last 30 years, especially the last
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ten, that says, you know, there’s something called
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the mind-body connection, which tells
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us how that cognitive information of I’m
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really upset is binging off.
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That’s my professional word, binging off.
Kate
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It sounds very professional!
Jondi
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Isn’t it? The feelings, which is also another word for sensations and
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emotions. These are all different things, slightly.
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All of that is binging back and forth and back and
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forth. And if we don’t stop and say,
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wait a minute, let’s see what exactly is going on,
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then we’re going to be encouraged just to do it faster and
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faster because this information deluge
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is coming at us from everywhere.
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So I don't think we’re encouraged to spend a lot
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of time sitting with,
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taking a moment, take five, take a breath.
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I don’t think we’re encouraged to do that. But in the last 30 years,
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we’ve learned how important it is for our body
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to be part of this solution.
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And that's where mind body, I say, well,
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it's probably better to say body mind, because if we
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treat the body, it’s going to be a faster path to
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the mind. I often say that the cognitive,
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the prefrontal cortex, is the last to know,
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right? This newest part of our evolutionary
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brain is the last to know. So if you want quick results, if you
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want to feel better fast, maybe we should not start here.
Kate
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Interesting.
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You have said that
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all of us are healing agents. All of
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us can make it better. Quote unquote,
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“It all starts with me.”
Jondi
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I own it, yes.
Kate
“It’s all an inside job.”
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I think those are such
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empowering thoughts.
Jondi
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Thank you. I do too. And for a world that feels
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like it’s out of control and I am out of power and there’s nothing
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I can do, isn’t it very empowering
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to go, wait a minute, I am in control of me.
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I am in control of what I’m thinking, what I’m choosing to do
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about it. And in that we go
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all the way to the front of that paragraph, I am a healing agent
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for myself. And even better news, I can be a
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healing agent for others by showing up as my peaceful best
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self, as my grounded, put-together,
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best Jondi I can
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that is going to be a healing agent for all the people I come in
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contact with.
Kate
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That just makes me tingle all over because
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it's so incredible what
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you do for yourself, you do for other people as
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well.
Jondi
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And I’m sure you know a lot of people that are in the helping department or the helping professions,
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many of them were raised and conditioned to have
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to help others, to have to put others
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first, to have to do it till they
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dropped from exhaustion. It is a very old
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story of Americanism, and maybe it
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started with the Puritans, I don’t know, but it’s very popular. And in this way,
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you go, wait. What if
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it’s enough as a healing agent of helping other
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people that I simply show up ready,
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able, capable,
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calm to offer help
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instead of feeling compelled like I have to?
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No, I actually. Now that I’m grounded
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and calm, I can choose to show
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up. I can choose to be a healing agent. I can choose to
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offer, "Might I help you with that?
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How may I best support you? What would you have me
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do that would bring you some peace in this moment?"
Kate
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That is so beautiful.
Jondi
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I think we are beautiful when we’re in our best self, Kate. I do.
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And to get back to that state,
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though, is a tricky business these days, because we’re so
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hyper-reactive to the many, many triggers
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and prompts coming in,
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and we’re just not encouraged to take the time
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to do this. We may be saying, take a vacation or you should take a
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nap, you should take a bath, but that’s
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not really what we’re talking about. It’s a great idea.
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It’s a start, but it’s not really what we’re talking about.
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The kind of mindful, conscious self-care we’re
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talking about is knowing that I can help others even better,
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whether I’m compelled or I just want
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to. Even better when I am my best self. And my
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best self comes from slowing down,
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really getting some clarity about what is going on,
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what is mine to do, and how can I best go about
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that? If we do that, our outcomes are just guaranteed
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to be better than knee-jerk reactive responses,
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which I think we see a lot of those, whether they're in the
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street or at the grocery store, in Congress, it doesn’t matter.
Kate
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Wow. That’s really wonderful.
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So we need to believe these thoughts that we are powerful,
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that we have that within us to
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work on ourselves, to heal ourselves, to be our best selves.
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And then what steps
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do we take to do something with them? I really like
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the quote I read recently. It came
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from Joan Baez. The quote is,
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“Action is the antidote to despair.” So what
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are some ways we can take action?
Jondi
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Well, I’m not going to quibble with someone as brilliant as Joan,
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but I’m going to say taking conscious action is something
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that I would put in there, because anger left
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unexpressed becomes fury and rage.
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And the impetus of that emotion set
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is to take action. But if it’s unconsidered action.
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If it is unconscious action, things are not
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going to turn out so well. Right? So conscious
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action is what I would encourage. And I
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cannot do that in knee jerk. I can't do that in reactivity.
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I really can’t. And that's something I think we
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need people to take in. I used
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to say this phrase, feeling is believing when I was
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teaching them to tap. Because I said, you don’t have to believe me.
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I’m not here to convince you. I am here to introduce you
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to something that might be helpful, but you're going to be the judge
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based on what you feel and observe taking
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place within you. So,
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believing. Yeah, I do need to believe that before
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I’m going to put too much investment into action
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around something. But feeling
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into belief, I think, is a
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better way for me to be convinced because
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I can tell myself to do anything. I could tell myself
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to have willpower, be courageous, be brave.
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The rest of me is frequently not on board.
Kate
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That’s very right. What do
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we do about that? What do we do about believing
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it?
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I want to ask this question because it popped into my mind
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last night to ask you this, and it feels like
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maybe it’s taking away a little bit, but actually, I think
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it’s on target with what we’re talking about.
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What do you think are some of the best ways to achieve
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clarity, understanding and peace?
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And I think you need all of those to get to that sense
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of belief in your own power
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to heal an emotion, for instance.
Jondi
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Well, it’s a great combination, but I think
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they build on each other. Maybe it's not "but," maybe it’s "and." And they build
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on each other. At the risk of being very partisan,
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tapping is a wonderful way to achieve very
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fast clarity. I can only tell you that
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it allows all of your jangling
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thoughts to get out of the way and your nervous system to calm
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so that you have access, better access to your
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resourcefulness, to your knowledge, to your
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learning. So tapping is the
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quickest way I know to get there. But it doesn't really
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matter to me if you choose another modality. The idea is,
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I want to be clear about what's going on, because then
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I can understand it better. And if I can understand it better,
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then I see my role within it. And if I see my role
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within it and I can take action that’s in alignment with that role,
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I have peace.
Kate
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Bingo. I love it. That is terrific.
Jondi
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Excellent. Well, I’m glad I could help.
Kate
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Well, you have indeed. Okay. You have
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described tapping as a self-care tool
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anyone can do to navigate life experiences.
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“Tapping is about telling the simple truth,
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and the first person to tell it to is ourself.”
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Love that, Jondi.
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Me, too. Thank you. I’ve been working on my book for. I’m embarrassed to tell you how many years I get lost
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in several rabbit holes that I want to talk about.
Kate
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I understand that.
Jondi
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Well, I appreciate your forbearance there, but I do believe with all my heart that is true.
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And I have at least 20 years invested in this experimentation
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that keeps coming up with validation and results.
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So there are so many times that we
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are encouraged. I’m going to try to chunk this
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down. We are encouraged from the get-go by
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our supervising adults,
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whoever they may be, to do certain things that are
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really more about socialization and convenience
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than truth. So, from the
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get-go, we’re encouraged not to do or say
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what we feel, which I understand why. I’m just
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saying that. Right? “Stop crying. It’s really not that bad…
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Go kiss your Uncle Jim. You’re going to make him feel bad.
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What a bad person you are that you don’t just
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want to do this automatically… And I don’t know what's wrong with you, and why
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can’t you be like… And I don’t understand why you’re feeling bad about yourself…”
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But, I mean, look at all the stuff. It goes on and on and on
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and on. And before we know it, we’re conditioned
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into not believing ourselves and the feelings and emotions
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that are genuine and the actions we wish to
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take because of it. So we are very
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suppressive in that conditioned way for good
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reasons, I suppose. But as we get
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older, some people have
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never felt like they have permission to say,
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well, “How do I really feel? Well, what is my truth?
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Well, what do I want to do?” And it’s very
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sad to find a lot of adults in midlife that don’t know
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they’re allowed to even ask the question, much less
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take up the question and do something with
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it. So, in this way, I would just
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say, encouraging people in
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a safe environment,
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that means with somebody you feel good about or you trust,
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right? To say, could you sit for a
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minute and tell me, “Well, what’s your best guess
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about the truth of that for you?” Now you’re
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starting to introduce them to the fact that truth is somewhat conditional and
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very subjective and very personal. And you don’t
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have to get in a fight about universal truth, God’s truth, anybody else’s
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truth. You start where you are, which is always my
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solution. Start where you are. And you try to get
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to the simple truth of what might
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that be. The biggest truth I’ve ever
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heard is coming out of the kid’s mouth, of course:
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“I don’t know.” And I say, “That is
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wonderful that you know the truth is you don’t know yet.
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You probably haven’t had enough time to think about it
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or go check it out or find out or
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experiment. So that’s true. You just don’t
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know yet. It’s good to tell the truth.”
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And in that way, we start inculcating this idea of personal truth
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at the bottom of things, the foundation of things for
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people. And it’s never too old to learn that, by the
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way. It’s always liberating, no matter what.
Kate
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We’ve always got that little kid inside of us, don’t we?
Jondi
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Front and center. Live with her every day, right?
Kate
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Well, you have written a book about tapping and teaching
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with children, working with children, and using tapping.
Jondi
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True. I mostly feel like I’m a resource writer
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for people in the, I want to say,
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energy healing and modalities field. So I’ve
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got a couple out there that were really intended for people who work in that
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world. But it occurred to me, after I spent
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some time in the Newtown and Sandy Hook recovery project,
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it occurred to me that there were way too many school shootings
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happening all the time. As a matter of fact,
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I don’t know how many happened before I stopped working on that project.
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And I thought, we need to teach children how
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to take care of themselves better, and we need to teach children
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and the people who care for them how to quickly
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return to a resourceful state. So, in other words, I need an in-
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the-moment solution to come back to a centered,
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grounded place. So, body up. It’s not about
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thinking, because in that moment, all the blood is missing.
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It’s gone to our lower extremities for escape purposes.
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So we get kind of stupider the more fearful
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we are. And so we need body level up so the blood
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returns to our prefrontal cortex. And now
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we can be more resourceful with what we know to do.
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This is actually the theory behind fire drills.
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There’s a reason we do it so often. Get up
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from a seat. Take your butt out. No, because when you
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are under threat or surprise like that, you are not
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likely to be thinking clearly, which is why I
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have to embody and embed the information
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as an autopilot, automatic kind of
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response. So I thought, oh, well,
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we’ll just do some more of those. We’ll do some fire drills for self.
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We’ll do some emotional first aid. And so I
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took a lot of different energy modalities
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that I knew, and I adapted little pieces of them to make
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the smallest possible, easily learned, easily done,
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little packets of first aid.
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And so I called it compassion and action.
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And one of the subtitles is how to help kids in times of
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trouble or in troubling times. Cheap and available
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to everyone on Amazon because I want people to buy several
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copies. And here it is for the pediatric hospital. And here it is for the
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community center. Here it is for day camps.
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I really want to spread that kind of helpful
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information to everyone.
Kate
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Yes. And it’s got illustrations. It’s a really accessible book
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and very charming.
Jondi
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Thank you so much. I appreciate it. In the middle, there is sort of a section of charts that would make it
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easy for the adult or the administrator to be
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able to get to. And I’ve told many people,
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Xerox those charts in the middle and laminate them
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and hang them on the wall. Just make them, because,
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you know us, we’re like, oh, where did I put that now that I need
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it? Because we can’t think very well when we’re upset. And I
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just supplied some to another project that’s taking place
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in Kenya and Uganda for their bush schools. And that’s what
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I asked them to do. “I’m going to give you the books, and now you
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raise a little bit of money to laminate them at
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your store in the capital so that you can take them out into the
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bush and they’ll be long lasting.
Kate
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That’s terrific. So how do people find out more about tapping,
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about your work? I know you have, well, you mentioned
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one of your books. You have your books, your website.
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How do you want people to find out more?
Jondi
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I think it’s probably easy to find me at the website, which is — I made
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a new one because the old one was getting complex and
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I wanted to be really simple. And it’s jondiwhitis.squarespace.com
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because Squarespace has gotten really very popular so
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that you can buy, sell, talk, you can do everything kind of
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through there that’s already set up. So that
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is a good place to find out what you're looking for. Were you looking for
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a conversation? Were you looking to be trained professionally?
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Because this tool that’s for self-care can be used for self-care and,
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in practiced hands, peer-to-peer care and, in very practiced
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hands, therapeutic care. So there’s every different level of use
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for it. I have mentoring. I have special
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events where I will either show a movie
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and have discussions, or I will have emotional first aid classes a couple
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of times a year. I call it rapid regulation and
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relief because that seems to tell people
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what it really does. And a lot of people don’t understand emotional
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first aid. They go, well, I’m not emotional or, oh, no,
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I don’t need any help with that. Or what do you mean? I like my
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emotions. So I went, I better name it what it does.
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Rapid regulation and relief.
Kate
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Yes. And relief is a nice word.
Jondi
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It is.
Kate
Is there anything else you’d
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like to say on the subject of healing ourselves and/
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or healing the world?
Jondi
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Goodness, so much! So I’m trying to boil it down.
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I would like so much if you could give any modality
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a go that would help you to sit
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or stay for a moment just
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long enough to get a little more information before we
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take reactive action. That, I think,
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would make a huge difference in the world. So whether you’re using an
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app that we created with my friend Manoj Krishna called
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better me, happier me. Excuse me, HappierMe.
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It used to be called the Human Wisdom project, but it’s a little app
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resource that everybody could carry with them anywhere.
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Or if you hear of another modality that you would like —
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another one that I love is called Havening. There are various levels
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you could use that. It doesn’t matter to me what you use,
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because the best way to get it is from somebody you trust
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in a moment of calm and peace that you
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take yourself. So that’s going to be your decision. “Will I
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take a moment and get off the merry-go-round in order
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to get a little better tools, a little better information,
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and give myself the peace I’m looking for?
Kate
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Yes, that’s wonderful. And something that a person can use
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every single day and multiple times a day,
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if necessary, whenever something comes up.
Jondi
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Just take a moment. Self-soothing is
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something that we’re designed to do as humans. That’s why you'll see
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people go to a little kid,
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and then you will see a little kid sitting with their blanket
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or their thumb sometimes, and they’ll be going like this,
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rocking and holding the child’s face.
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And so we’ve harnessed all these natural soothers.
Kate
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Yes, we hug ourselves, too, at times.
Jondi
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Safe touch. Safe touch is
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so important. And you’ll see so many of
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the kids that were interrupted in their educational experience weren’t
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able to be in proximity, in safe touch
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and hugs. And you see what that did. I mean,
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we’re just learning so much about what we
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need as humans to thrive instead of just survive.
Kate
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That's wonderful, Jondi.
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You do important work.
Jondi
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Thank you. And so do you. And thanks for helping me pass the message
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that we want everyone to have everything that
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they can use to heal themselves and then somebody
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else around them.
Kate
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It's completely my pleasure and privilege.
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This is Kate Jones. Thank you for listening to this episode
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of The Gale Hill Radio Hour. Please share it
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with anyone you know who wants freedom
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from anxiety and other emotions that don’t necessarily
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serve us. And to learn more about tapping, please see
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Gale Hill Radio's episode 27,
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titled “EFT Trainer Jondi Whitis on Tapping
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for Emotional Freedom.” Until next time, thanks for
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joining us.
